



At this point I feel I need to justify where I’m at and where I get my idea of grades from. I’ve recently been doing lots of sports climbing – high 7’s and low 8’s most days and am warming up / cooling down on the crag 7b+’s so I suppose you could say I’ve built up a bit of stamina. During the last few months I’ve bouldered over a dozen or so V7’s first try. I’ve bouldered in Font, the Peak and mostly in North Wales. Left wall traverse V7, Beaver Cleaver V8, Cleaver Beaver V8 in Llandudno. Ultimate retro party V8, Bus Stop V9 and Jerry’s Roof V9 in Llanberris. Pantys down V7, Firestarter V7 and Thug Mental V8 at devils gorge.
I figure Loco Toal is harder than all the V8’s I’ve done and as hard as Jerry's Roof and of a similar style i.e. Long! 8m of pure roof before joining and finishing up Caroline’s Trav. No moves as hard as Rock Atrocity though but it is way longer. It could be Font 7c or Font 7a - I'm feeling good at the minute and can do Jerry’s most visits. This is steeper and longer and both problems have no real desperate moves. Anyway, anything I climb seems to get arbitrarily downgraded before people even look at it so I guess I’ll try and beat 'em to it this time and grade it Font 7b (V8) to begin with.
Which brings me to why I’m hesitant to just throw out the Caves location just yet. I feel I’ve been stung a few times by a combination of my ignorance, eagerness to share and by not being one of the “boulderers”. Let me explain. Way back in 1999 I took few trips to Portrane with a few friends to go bouldering. I took some pictures and we did some lines and I stuck them up on a shitty website I had in DCU. Steve McMullan took notice and emailed me suggesting that I should publicise it but being new to bouldering and climbing I didn’t realise the potential and didn’t make much of it. Later that year the foot and mouth crisis lead to Kev Cooper spending a lot of time out there developing the area. He put a lot of time and effort into climbing, exploring and documenting the place and got credited with it’s discovery… Ah well, you live and learn – Full respect to Kev for his efforts.
Fast forward to a few years ago. We come home from the UK for Christmas and took Caroline’s younger brother and sisters for a walk around Glendalough. Hugh spots a hidden block and we cross the river to check it out, I get psyched and return to spend a full day scraping, cleaning, brushing, falling and eventually climbing something like 9 problems in total. The hardest problem being “Hugh” which I graded Font 7b. I named the cluster of boulders “the Holiday boulders” as a reminder of when and how they were developed and also as they represented (to me at least) a holiday or break away from the constantly trafficked problems along the path in Glendalough. I submitted the info, keen to encourage repeats and more traffic. I even documented the stunning project groove line that I gave a cursory cleaning to but didn’t have the time, skin or ability to complete at the time. Without any repeats to my knowledge Hugh was down-graded to Font 7a+ without explanation… it must just be me. Heres the write up in the Guide:
Van Diemen’s Land was the name given by the miners to the valley above the zigzags in Glendalough – so-called after the barren lands in Tasmania where convicts were being sent at the time. There are a few boulders, but seeing as it’s a fifteen minutes walk past the best bouldering in Ireland, it will not appeal to many people. On the south side of the stream beside the first spoil heap is the Holiday Boulder which was cleaned and climbed on by Dave Ayton over Christmas ’08.
If a 15 minute walk along a nice path is enough to put off Irish boulderers then I can suddenly understand why I seem to be lucky enough to keep finding unclimbed rock! Jaysus lads! Before that there was the Hidden groove block blitz – when I graded King Cobra Font 6a people gave out stink insisting it was harder! I’m open to criticism about my grades but would take such grade changes easier if it came from repeat ascentionists who also offered comments on the lines quality and or worth. First ascents take a good deal more time and effort than subsequent ascents and quite often people discover new beta and sequences and grades settle – I know this. Plus I’m aware that I have a bigger reach than most. Combine that with me being way weaker than most and I realise I’m going to be shit at grading!
Anyway – I hope this cave gets known as Ayton’s Cave as I’ll not be around Ireland much and my Dad was out there thinking of us Irish climber types and gave up his time so that this place could be explored. I honestly feel that the potential for hard bouldering in this cave is massive! Enjoy Folks! Topo, maps and a list of whats been done and cleaned or worked to come.
11 comments:
Hey, just as a quick question as to its location - is it accessible without a car?
Yes it is... assuming you are willing to walk a bit ;o)
Dave. Good find it looks great. I have always said Dublin needs a Parisella's Cave type venue that has lots of hard lines and stays dry in the rain, looks like you have found it. My guess is that its at the bottom of the cliffs on the south side of Howth, I was down there years ago (2003) exploring and saw a few decent caves with lots of tufas - photo here www.theshortspan.com/photo/h-cave.jpg
On the issue of Portrane and who started bouldering there first, I accept that the guide could well be wrong, maybe send me an email about this.
I'm not sure why Hugh was downgraded, most of just been a typo. Sorry about that, a quick email would of set it right, there are over 1400 problems in the last issue of the guide and I won't spot every mistake.
The reality with the holiday boulders Dave is that the vast majority of boulderers won't bother walking up there. I think that is a fair comment.
King Cobra is a great line, it isn't 6a though and it has a bad landing.
Anyway good work spill the beans.
I second Dave F on the Howth location. I'm also thinking we'll be renaming Ayton's Cave to Rooney's Hole :-)
Cheers Dave for the reply, really appreciate it! I think this has come about from me basicially not being around wicklow enough and not really knowing any of the boulderers in the Irish scene! Guess it's easy to feel like an outsider if you're not on the inside - haa! And i'm not trying to have a go at the guide or your efforts - i appreciate the work you must put into it and the website. I think it's just my underlying paranoia and weakness getting the best of me!
Steve - thats what i was afraid of!!! Good God please No!!!!
:o)
Phew... now thats off my chest i can get on with my life and move to Spain! Therapy session over!
Oh, and yeah... it's been right on our doorstep all this time! Howth, Co. Dublin it is! Map with parking and appraoch on the way!
Just to follow up on the grades Dave. I had a look through a few emails.
Hugh is 7a in the guide. You mentioned in an email that "it could be a classic 6c/7a" so I went for a compromise grade of 7a.
Funnily enough King Cobra is still 6a in the guide but I think that will change.
Really? Fair enough, sorry for getting that wrong - thought I proposed 7b for that one - felt hard at the time. Hopefully people might make the trip up and repeat it and confirm the grade and give the groove a go, that looks classic! As for King Cobra - I don't care what you say... it's never easier than 6a! Ok, Ok... i'll accept hard 5c but not a drop lower! :o)
Dave I mean that King Cobra is harder than 6a. Anyway its not important.
I have studied the photo I took in 2003, its the same cave. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why didn't I go back?
Yep! Deffo the same cave! I spent some time around there back around the Portrane explorations too but never went back... theres a time for everything it seems. Get the strong lads down into it and working! Reckon the big link of Daylight Destroyer is harder than Mr. Fantastic in the pass and that gets V12!
Looks very good, may pay it a visit when I'm over?
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